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I need to read this article and digest it in more detail, but I'll note that my (Christian) wife has a very simple approach to moral absolutism: she asks God, and God (being omnipresent and personal) replies. God is omniscient and omnipotent (by definition), so replies in language that she is certain to understand.

It's kinda hard to argue with that form of absolutism.

Ahoy, captain! Nice opening salvo!
Looking forward to this campaign!

If I was playing Devil's advocate, I might say this smacks of a utopian idealist's (or even an idealogue's) version of an emergent utility-maximising algorithm for a fully connected stigmergic system. I'm couching this in computer science terms deliberately here, to point out the artificiality of hoping that all parts of the system will act as specified when any of those parts are human.
Actually, since I'm not intending to play Devil's advocate, I must say that I've had similar ideas in the areas of diplomacy and economics. Unfortunately, so far (and I haven't worked on this very much) I come up against the problem that a cosmopolitan system for solving any inter-relational issues seems to require absolute arbitration. Its like Hobbes said - Bellum omnium contra omnes. For economics & diplomacy this might actually work, except that it would leave people without the essential human need of expression of free will.
I think I wrote more on this over here. On the subject of ethics, I know I wrote on compatibility of cultural ethics here.

I think those will be the most significant contributions I get to make, the next six or seven weeks are chock a block. My timing sucks more than my philosophy of ethics!

Peter: your wife is an amazing person, but even her Joan of Arc-like relationship with God only allows her to maintain an absolute moral position within her own frame of reference. It is clear that God is not asking her to force this position further afield - I suggest that God would have no reason to do so.

If I understood her correctly, your wife believes that it is the presence of Jesus in heaven which allows God to understand humans, and humans to understand God - he is the intermediary that allows for this communication. In other words, direct communication with God is not wholly possible (and why should it be - how can any human grasp something infinite and beyond understanding?)

This scenario does not guarantee that the absolute position she is afforded in her relationship with God is the same as other absolute positions that other individuals are afforded in their relationship with God. Perhaps, as I suggest here, God's plan requires diversity...

Relative ethics does not mean that people cannot hold absolute positions, it simply means that we should recognise the scope of those absolute positions.

Extend my best wishes to your wife - I'm glad I had the chance to meet her before life swept me away from that continent!

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Avast, translucy, no salvos here! This is a ship of peace! ;) Glad to have you on the crew.

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zenBen: Even if you're going to be swept up with busy work for the next two months, I suspect this campaign will run for six months or more - there will be plenty of time for you to contribute, I'm sure. Play at your own pace! :)

I do not believe absolute arbitration is required - dialogue in itself is sufficient to produce peaceful stable states (eventually). The goal of cosmopolitanism is not consensus, remember, just a place (a doubtless chaotic place) where we can all live together.

As for market philosophies, this is necessarily outside our scope and closer to political philosophy, so I must pass. As for the compatibility of cross-cultural ethics, you seem to agree that there is sufficient commonality for this to be viable, hence I must take you as in support of the premise of this post. :)

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On the whole, a quieter response than I expected. I was hoping, I think, for some opinion from the a priori camp... Perhaps it will come in time.

Very well, I guess we shall proceed to some definition of ethics, then. I am certain we are not done with this particularly topic, however - it shall doubtless see debate at some point in the future. :)

My best wishes to you all!

zenBen, Chris,

IMHO a discussion on the issues of "perfect arbitration" or "much improved (if not perfect )interpersonal / intercultural understanding" is getting ahead of itself.

None of the propositions or conclusions you Chris, have put forward on this blog (on religion, metaphysics, science, etc, as a foundaton for your ethical stance) seem to be even close let alone a major part of mainstream belief systems in the west.

On the contrary, as discussed last year here, the mutual divide in the triangle of "the religious dogmatists", "the anti-religious dogmatists aka the so-called scientific rationalists", and the majority of "the dis-oriented or dis-interested" runs so deep that they would have a hard time understanding at all the thrust of your argument.

So how can the insight into the issue of "cultural, metapysical nd consequentially ethical relativism" (if that is the adequate term) be brought to the masses?

"So how can the insight into the issue of "cultural, metapysical nd consequentially ethical relativism" (if that is the adequate term) be brought to the masses?"

Via absolute arbitration!
No, wait, that would be a case of the messenger killing the message.

Well although I hope to change the world, I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. :)

From reading Charles Taylor it sounds as if the younger generation right now already has an intuitive grasp of the social relativity issue, and indeed the problem may not be introducing this idea at all...

For me, if I can fashion an idea with merit, and word it such that all comers, regardless of religion or culture, can read it without vehemently over-reacting, then we are closer to being able to sit around the hypothetical table and hammer out an agreement.

That I am overly idealistic in this regard can be taken as read. :)

Best wishes!

zenBen, Chris,

I guess my point is that "epistemological clarification" has to precede "ethical arbitration".

I don't think anybody here on this blog is "overly xyz" - this blog seems to have a soothing effect on its readers :) I guess I would just put more emphasis on the epistemological skepticism you seem to find in Hume's writings as well. The whole world view that is implicated in words like "arbitration" or "democratic society" cannot be taken as absolute and in fact today is not understood or practiced well in societies that claim to be built on these principles.

Young people in their teens and twenties may indeed have an intuitive access to the practice (rather than to any well founded theory) of "ethical pluralism" - but the question remains whether their ability to communicate and "arbitrate" extends beyond the confines defined by the codes & standards of globalized western culture, currently more and more identified with an all encompassing market place. (But heck, efficient arbitration is the genuine feature of a working market place so maybe everything gonna be alright in the coming global uber-mart?)

Chris,
Speaking of Taylor I wonder whether you have considered Richard Rorty, esp. "Contingency, Irony, Solidarity"?

translucy: your concerns regarding the abilities of the younger generation to see beyond their own cultural background are doubtless well founded; still I think there are ways to play this game to our mutual advantage. I'm content to work on the abstract problems and have faith that discussion of this kind gradually filters into the social system as a whole. Perhaps this is merely mindless optimism! :)

I haven't read any Rorty, no, and after a recent 'book binge' in a local store my wife has cut me off from buying any new books until I've read the ones I have! :) I should read Dewey before Rorty, anyway, and I have a Dewey in my current pile.

Best wishes!

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