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2001 AD's Nemesis the Warlock stories (and spin-off the ABC warriors) are a rather good exposition of this theme, as I remember. Nemesis was a brilliant character. That's if you like graphic novels.

"the portrayal of Chaos within the Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 settings...the subtly of the original milieu is entirely lost"
In latter years the boom in publication of 40K novels has allowed some more nuanced work to slip through. In particular, novels about the Imperial Inquisition are good starting point.

zenBen: check your facts, young comic fan! :) Nemesis the Warlock (1980) *post-dates* ABC Warriors (1979) - but both are actually spin offs of Pat Mills earlier strip Ro-busters (1976) which was originally in 2000AD's sister comic Starlord (which I liked much more than 2000AD, but then I was only 4 at the time!)

Although I haven't read any Mills comics for almost a decade, I remain a big fan of his work - particularly those three strips, and his Marshall Law work.

The early work was stark yet charming; increasingly, however, Mills seems to have been pushing more for the former and less for the latter, which is a shame.

I just re-read for the first time since 1979 the first story from Doctor Who Weekly (which I also enjoyed as a kid) which was a Mills/Wagner affair. My whole appreciation for comics seems to be rooted in the work of Pat Mills! :)

Best wishes!

Interesting stuff.

Moorcock was my first real introduction to philosophy. I think I read 12-15 of his books in my youth.

Those ideas in me later evolved into the non sci-fi world, but always with the idea of law and chaos as two sides to the same thing. In some respects it can be juxtaposed to Aristotle and Plato, order and chaos. I think in the sci-fi context it takes on the aspect of a chaos mad warrior vs. a glowing paladin, but the subtext is so much greater. At its most distilled level it becomes the formless and the the shaper of the formless. I wonder if its a misnomer to think that chaos as evil, because in context, all sides do what they see as necessary.

Greg: "I wonder if its a misnomer to think that chaos as evil, because in context, all sides do what they see as necessary."

It seems to me that inherent to Moorcock's philosophy is the idea that evil is not a property of one's allegiance but of one's actions. Since Chaos is not an entity, as such, but simply a grouping of people (at least, outside of the deep fantasy settings) it cannot be good or evil - but the people who *follow* either path certainly can be!

Of course, there's always room for alternative interpretations. ;)

Best wishes!

Not much to say other than this is really very interesting reading for me, since all I knew about any of this until now was =from= Warhammer, and a little bit of D&D thrown in. I had a vague notion that some of it had been plagarised but I had no idea where from & how much.

I suspect how much of the subtlety remained (& remain!) in the various forms of Warhammer depended on the exact edition and the author's involved as I've found that to be vary wildly over the years. I must admit in my youth I found the stuff in the original WFRP and 40K Rogue Trader rather interesting.. even if unbeknownst to me I was reading it through a filter, as it were.

Rik: glad this is interesting to you! Although Moorcock's name is well known in fantasy circles, I think there is a sense in which his tremendous contribution to the counterculture is radically underestimated. There is almost as much Moorcockian influence in role-playing games as Tokeinian! :)

Best wishes!

zenben, Nemesis also has its ties to FLESH & Judge Dredd (Satanus), Invasion (The Volgans, the enemies of the ABC Warriors) which appeared before the Ro-Busters.

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