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Tolkien's Turin was the epitome of this character model!

I don't know about that. Sure, Turin is similarly tragic and melancholic in that larger-than-life way, but there's no philosophy in that story, it's just an emotional story. But when reading Moorcock's stories, it's rather obvious that you (the reader) are supposed to see more than what is just written.

Well let's not have a Tolkein vs Moorcock fight break out or it'll be carnage! :D

In my opinion, Tolkein's strength was in two specific areas: creating mythology in the style of historical mythology (The Silmarillion is a work of expert care), and writing in a charmingly lyrical prose style.

Tolkein's weakness is perhaps structuring: The Lord of the Rings rambles and clearly lacked planning. People are divided on whether the split of the narrative into having two protagonists is genius or blunder - I sway to the latter camp. Frodo was clearly the intended hero, but Tolkein just becomes infatuated with Aragorn and thus promotes him to protagonist #2 later on - yet leaves in pages and pages of Frodo bitching about how cold he is and how heavy the ring is... >:)

Conversely, Moorcock's weakness in his early work is the rough edges caused by the speed at which the books were written. In his later work, the writing is first rate, but it is not always accessible... The two writers have, on the whole, very little in common beyond that they both wrote fantasy novels!

But I don't think it's fair to assert that Moorcock has a deeper reading and Tolkein does not - although I would suggest that Moorcock's work is more overtly allegorical.

I don't remember Turin very well, alas, but the reason there is a possible parallel is probably because Tolkein is drawing from mythological structures directly, while Moorcock has constructed a mythological structure of his own which draws from historical mythology indirectly. There is common literary inkwell that both are dipping into. ;)

Best wishes!

Turin's story has a lot of versions. There's a short version in the Silmarillion. Then there's the extended version in Unfinished Tales. And then there's the new book - Children of Hurin. I thought that this new book was a rather good read as a plain reading material.

Anyway, aside from the larger-of-life melancholia and the black sword, I don't really see that much in common between the Eternal Champion and Turin.

Turin's a big oaf. He has a kind heart and is emphatic towards those who suffer, however his fault lies in that the acts before he thinks or he wants to have his will by any means as possible.

Wait. Yeah, it does sound like Elric. I guess I'm wrong then.

Perhaps it was the different tone in these stories that confused me.

Never read Moorcock, so can't comment further. I will say that most if not all the Tolkien 'greater' heroes (i.e. elves and men of the west, dwarves and hobbits not being elf-kin diminishes them, it seems) have what seems to me to be a similar plight to the eternal champion. They're stuck between light and dark, and often they struggle ceaselessly only to see their own actions destroy what is most dear to them.

I suppose the thing is, since the Eternal Champion draws upon an infinitely more ancient archetype (the "Hero with a Thousand Faces" in Joseph Campbell's formulation) it's hardly suprising that one can find parallels in other work with a mythological bent. ;)

Best wishes!

On the Elric/Túrin Turambar parallels: both are - to varying extents - derived from the Finnish myth of Kullervo; Tolkien specifically mentions Túrin as being derived from Kullervo in a letter, while Moorcock's year spent in Sweden/Norway in the early '60s (prior to the publication of Elric) at least suggests he may have come across the myth. Although the earliest versions of Túrin pre-date Elric/the EC by several decades, the Tale wasn't published (in "The Silmarillion") until many years *after* Moorcock's stories. Any similarities therefore between Moorcock and Tolkien (and I think they're mostly superficial actually) probably stem from an common influence (Kullevro) rather than one author being influenced by the other.

demos99: thanks for this informative insight! Much appreciated.

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