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The second coming of God is at hand. Take heed and make note. God has returned. He has come to dismantel a broken down split-up disfunctional Church. He is going to strike out the words of the Romans and rebuild the Church in his own words. Start by opening your bible to the title page that reads "New Testament". Strike out the words New Testament and retitle this page "Roman Mythology". You have now completed the first step in rebuilding Gods Church. Don't toss your bible out, Gods word is mixed in with the word of man. God is going to tell you what is his and what belongs to the Romans.

Mel: no idea if this is serious, or sarcastic or what - it can be quite hard to tell on the internet these days! :) I guess if it's important to you, you'll come back and explain.

Just a quick thought: does Taylor ever mention anything about Islamic influences, specifically with regards to the role that reason and logic plays in religious faith? The work of Avicenna in the eleventh century comes to mind, specifically.

Deirdra: Taylor is obviously extremely well read, but he keeps his focus on the changes in Christianity because this is the subject he is most experienced with (indeed, he is ridiculously erudite on the subject!)

Islam comes up in numerous references at various times, but offhand I can't remember any of them in their specifics. Buddhism is also mentioned quite a lot in the later stages of the book.

But the book covers 1500-2000, so Avicenna would be before the scope of this tome. Personally, I find this sort of Muslim history fascinating - if you have a book you can recommend on this subject I would enjoy adding it to my reading list pile. ;)

Best wishes!

Hi Chris,
Yes, this is a serious message. God does not talk to anyone very often. So when he does show up with a message no one believes it.

In the Spring of 2006 god sent a message. It is about the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. The message is this:

In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death.
What does this mean? It means that Birth is Last and Last is Birth. God also gives an example so that you can understand this better. Example: Mike Douglas died on his Birthday, August 11. (Note that Mike Douglas and Michael Douglas are two different people.)

Mel: thanks for coming back, although I really don't feel you explained your message to any degree. To whom did God send this message in Spring 2006? To you, I assume?

I'm really not sure this is on-topic here - although it does seem to be a fine example of what is referenced as "enthusiasm" in this part of the serial. :)

I can see from a quick web search that you appear in the comments of lots of different blogs with any kind of Christian or anti-Christian content, each time with short prophetic outbursts like the two you have provided here. One is word-for-word identical to the one you provided above.

Honestly, the comments here are intended for discussion of the topics at hand. If you want to discuss the topic with me or the others on the blog, you are more than welcome, but if you have another agenda you'll have to conduct it elsewhere.

Yes, Chris, God came and talked to me. I am not boosting or bragging. It would have been better if he talked to at least one other person. I have been searching, I can't find anyone else. It would have been good to at least have a witness.

I would liked to have had someone else to stand up and say YES, God talked to me too, he also said the same thing to me.

My agenda is to Hand over the Information to others. Here you take the ball, you carry it. I can only carry it so far.

Chris,
What do you think the message about First is Last and Last is First means? I would like to know if others understand it like I do.

Then God links another message to it. God said this in 2007:

We each die in succession, then we are born on the same day.
God also gives proof in the story of 3 famous people. Mike Douglas, Merv Griffin and Nancy Reagan. Mike dies on his birthday, August 11. Merv dies the day after Mike on August 12. Merv and Nancy are born on the same day.

If you want to search more on what I have been blogging, I also use different names. I change them slightly just so I can come back to my recent comments so that I can respond to any questions, comments or insults. What ever people want to throw out there. I also blog as Mel Steffor. Now Mel is a nick for Melanie. I also blog as Melanie Stephan, Melanie Steffan, Melanie Stefine, etc. I only do that so I can group and return to read comments. I only put those other names here so that you or your readers can do a search on those names if they care too. I first started blogging as Melanie Stephan, that is my original name.

Mel: honestly, although I find what you are saying quite fascinating, I'm certain that the comments of this serial post are the wrong place for this discussion. If you provide me a link to your blog, I will happily discuss your experience with you there.

But I'd be grateful if you'd refrain from pursuing this here for the time being, simply because while you seem to be the "featured voice" in the comments for this post it may discourage other people from discussing the subject matter of the serial itself. As a politeness to other visitors here, it would be better to take this discussion 'outside'.

Thanks for your patience and, again, I am happy to discuss this on your "home turf" - just let me know where that is and I will stop by. If you don't have your own blog, can I suggest setting one up? It's only fair that you should have your own space for exploring your own issues.

Best wishes!

Hello Chris,
Again, thank you for your interest. I do not have my own blog. AS you asked, I will not unload my latest Revelations here. You can follow my trail if you wish.

Thanks Mel, I appreciate your understanding in this regard. If you later decide to start your own blog, please let me know.

just though you might enjoy reading this :)
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html#

Hey there nomad, long time no comment. ;)

Thanks for this link! This isn't the first time I've come across Haidt, but his ideas are really starting to cohere now (even if he can't remove his metaphysical bias from his writing - calling God a "collective delusion" jumps the burden of proof; few academics would tolerate the opposite metaphysical bias in an article of this kind!).

Taylor talks a lot about Durkeim (whom Haidt is also discussing here) in the middle parts of "A Secular Age" but I factored it out of the serial as one of many things that had to be cut for brevity.

I have to say, living in Knoxville last year really set my head straight about the issue of why impoverished people vote for Republicans who will not obviously ease their burden. There are many reasons for this which (as Haidt alludes to) make perfect sense - they are not confused about their allegiance, but actually quite clear. The Republicans represent the kind of moral vision these people live, and are thus appealing on that front. But also, on an economic front, the Republicans promise to *take less* (lower taxes) which is more appealing than the Democrat promise to *give more* (which means higher taxes, and so *taking more*).

Politics is never as easy as it first seems! :)

Thanks for the link!

Gordon Leff's 'Medieval Thought: St. Augustine to Ockham' has a tasty chapter devoted to the influence of Islamic (and Jewish) thinkers on the theological-philosophical development of 12th to 14th century Christianity. & specifically the interplay of logic, reason and faith.

Well, twenty very erudite pages worth. I've not yet encountered a volume directly on the Muslim intellectual world. I'd love a Henry Corbin title, but he doesn't seem to end up in the local second-hand shops...

Anyway, thanks for this great series of articles!

Robb: thanks for this! Why isn't there a really good book on this subject, I wonder? Or perhaps there is, but no-one knows what it is! :) I've found an ex-library version of Leff's book you mention here for the princely sum of 72 pence, so I'll pick that up.

Thanks also for the kind words!

Correction: To the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. It means that Birth is Last and Birth is First. Sorry for the error. God talks in symbols and opposites at times, so it takes time to figure out what he is saying. Some of his messages are clearer than others, plus they have multiple meanings.

Hm, if it's still of any interest, I did uncover a pair of Corbin's titles online at Scribd: History of Islamic Philosophy I & part II. No doubt they're finer in the flesh, but if you're in the mood for a browse...

Robb: thanks for the additional tip - and remembering my interest! :) I'm reading Leff at the moment (along with several other books). I don't tend to read texts online, but I will get an ebook reader at some point.

Thanks again!

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