Following on from my review of Bioethics in the
Age of New Media, philosopher and
cultural theorist Joanna Zylinska drops into the Game as our first philosophy
guest! Join us as we discuss her ideas concerning a new ethics of life, one
that moves beyond medical ethics and into the big questions about what life is,
and how we respond to it.
Chris Bateman: I greatly
enjoyed exploring your ideas in Bioethics
in the Age of New Media. In the book you call yourself a ‘cultural theorist’
- why not a ‘cultural ethicist’?
Joanna Zylinska: I have been
writing on ethics for many years now, both in relation to, and separately from,
issues of new media. My ambition has always been to take ethics outside of its
more traditional home of philosophy and situate it in a broader cultural
domain. So, I’m very happy to subscribe to your ‘cultural ethicist’ moniker!
Chris: Do you see it as
important to explore a cross-disciplinary approach to moral philosophy?
Joanna: Yes, certainly.
Ethical issues – questions of value, of human conduct, of how to live our lives
– are already very visibly present in the broader cultural domain. Witness how
terms such as ‘business ethics’, ‘professional ethics’ or ‘medical ethics’ regularly
feature in media debates. And yet, even though journalists, media experts as
well as academics in many disciplines such as literature, sociology or sciences
would agree that ethical questions are important, they ultimately tend to leave
the ethical debate to the ‘professionals’, i.e. those trained in the domain of
moral philosophy. As a result, the ethical debate often ends up being rather
procedural, with questions of moral agency, political influence and economic
interest already pre-decided in many of the paradigms which are applied to
resolving so-called ethical dilemmas.
Chris: Was the starting
point for Bioethics in the Age of New
Media your thoughts about ethics in connection with the concept of life, or
did you begin thinking about the various forms of new media and only later
relate them to ethics?
Joanna: The two have
always kind of developed in a parallel way in my head. But I have also realised
that there is something very significant happening at the moment around
questions of life and different forms of its mediation – via programmes such as
the Human Genome Project, bioart projects such as Eduardo Kac’s GFP Bunny, or
discussions around the extension and possible termination of life in case of the
incurably ill – whereby we are all being asked to make decisions on life on a
regular basis, notwithstanding our philosophical training. It seems that in the
age of new technologies and new media, when life is being understood more and
more as a technological process that can be adjusted and manipulated in various
ways, we are all expected to be bioethics experts!
Chris: Yes, we see this in the
increasing number of column inches devoted to public polls on issues such as
genetic engineering or euthanasia.
Joanna: Indeed. When
we’re faced with questions such as: ‘are you concerned
about the possibility of cloning humans?’ or ‘on what grounds, if any, would
you object to organ transplantation from pigs to humans?’, most people would be
able and willing to come up with some kind of answer – even if this answer was to
amount to mere opinion or something like ‘I’m not really sure’. When it comes
to matters concerning our life and health, there is an understanding that they
must not be left just to experts – philosophers, theologians, or doctors – and
that all free thinking citizens in liberal democracies need to have a say about
them. It is this shared understanding that my book attempts to tap into.
Chris:
Is there a danger that these issues are being dealt with in a knee-jerk
fashion? Is the debate being pre-empted?
Joanna:
Yes,
which is why I’m concerned about making sure that bioethical
questions are answered ‘well’, that is to say, critically and responsibly, and that
we do not just retreat
to the most fixed ideological positions we hold when answering them. So ethics
for me functions as a second-level reflection on how to think about moral
positions and values – in this case, values concerning what most people hold
dear – i.e. ‘life’.
Chris: Bioethics in the Age of New Media is very much about exploring what
we mean when we say ‘life’.
Joanna: The book uses a
rather expanded understanding of ‘life’ – from its biological connotations via
DNA and the genes through to its broader socio-political contextualisation.
This is why the bioethics I talk about has also an expanded meaning when
compared to its more traditional counterpart (i.e. bioethics as a discipline dealing
with issues concerning our health and medical interventions into it). I am
trying to show in the book that in the age of new media bioethics has to deal
not just with questions of the transformation of life on a biological level –
via genomics, DNA sequencing, cloning, and so forth – but also in a broader
political context, through question of the financing of the biotech industry,
of immigration and asylum, of the normativity of cosmetic surgery, of
biocitizenship, etc.
Chris: You call for a non-normative,
non-humanist form of bioethics which is entirely different from what people
usually think of in terms of ethics i.e. systems of universal ethical rules.
Part of the foundation for this is the work of the philosopher Emmanuel Levinas
- what drew you to Levinas’ work?
Joanna: Levinas’
thought is immensely important for all kinds of work on ethics and politics, on
being in the world, so the significance of Levinas’ project is not limited to
philosophy considered as a discrete academic discipline. Levinas’ ideas were
born out of a disappointment with what he calls ‘the complacency of modern
philosophy’, which ‘prefers expectation to action, remaining indifferent to the
other and to others’. His ethical theory is therefore more than a philosophy:
it is also a call for action, for direct involvement, for the examination of
lived lives – our own lives as well as lives of others. The place I occupy in the
world for Levinas is never just mine. Instead, it belongs to the Other whom I
may have oppressed, starved or driven away from my home, my country and my life. My life thus requires justification. I
need to keep asking myself if my existence is not already a way of taking someone
else’s place. For Levinas we always find ourselves standing before the face of
the Other, which is both our accusation and a source of our ethical
responsibility.
Chris: This concept of the Other is key
to his work.
Joanna: Yes, his ethics
shifts the focus of attention and concern from myself to the Other and is
therefore a blow to human self-centredness. It is a philosophy of humility, but
not in a traditional Christian sense, more in a sceptical sense of the
recognition of one’s limitations. We may of course ignore these limitations,
but to do so would be both tragic and foolish.
Chris: And you find this particularly
applicable in the context of an ethics of life?
Joanna: Levinas’
thought is extremely helpful in providing a framework and a justification for
caring about the life, any life, of the Other, especially the precarious and
destitute lives of all those who lack recognition in the dominant political debates
and policies, and those whose biological and political existence is confined to
‘zones of exception’: comatose patients, asylum seekers, refugees, people with
non-normative bodies and looks, victims of biotech experimentation.
Chris: When you say ‘non-normative’ in
this context, you mean people who don’t look like the way we have come to
expect people to look? People who don’t fit the Hollywood cookie-cutter
template of how a person should appear?
Joanna: Yes, absolutely
– although I’m also concerned about other categories of exclusion; not just
those that involve looks.
Chris: Levinas’ ethics is quite
humanist in its approach, but you are clearly trying to push past this into a
new space – that must create some difficulties for you.
Joanna: Yes, drawing on
Levinas in an effort to develop a ‘post-humanist’ bioethics is not
unproblematic. His theory suffers from an anthropological bias, which is
evident, for example, in the excessive weighting he gives to human language. His
notion of the Other needs to be expanded if, in the digital era, we are not
sure any longer whether the Other who is before me is human or machinic, and
whether the ‘fraternity’ Levinas talks about extends to all of DNA-kin
(chimpanzees, dogs, bacteria).
Chris: By machinic, you mean to include
artificial life, even though what we have currently in this space is not much
more advanced than an insect, or a tropism that simply responds with
pre-programmed responses?
Joanna: I am referring
here to all the different theories, both scientific and sci-fi – from Blade Runner through to artificial life –
that imagine the emergence of other beings whose status and physical make-up is
uncertain, at least for the humans engaging with them. I agree with you that
the outcomes of current experiments in the area of artificial life are rather
limited, even if these experiments are accompanied by a lot of hype. However,
I’m much more interested in general philosophical consequences of such an
indeterminacy of being than in the actual outcomes of this or that experiment.
Chris: Madeleine Fagan
and others have questioned the use of Levinas' concept of the Other (or the
Third) as a basis for ethical politics, while acknowledging that Levinas was
aspiring to make the ethical the priority over the political. She argues that
if we take Levinas seriously we cannot easily separate ethics and politics, and
perhaps that it might not be possible to derive political positions from such
an abstract form of ethics, no matter how compelling it might be on an
individual level. How would you respond to this criticism?
Joanna: I think there may be some kind of disparity
here between what Levinas means when he says that ethics is prior to politics
and what certain political theorists interpret as ethics being ‘more important
than’ politics.
Chris: Can you elaborate?
Joanna: Levinas describes ethics as a first
philosophy, which is situated before
ontology.
Chris: Ontology being the study of
being, of existence, which is usually considered foundational. ‘I think
therefore I am’ and so forth.
Joanna:
Yes, but not for Levinas. In
his view ethics precedes, and makes demands on, ontology, on our being in the
world, and thus also on politics.
Chris: ‘I face others, therefore I have
responsibilities’.
Joanna: That’s a very good way of putting it. For
Levinas the fact that I find myself standing before others who pre-exist me and
who teach me the world has social and political consequences. But if politics is
about social transformation and eradicating injustices of power, the decision
as to what action to take and how to respond responsibly to an event we are
faced with is already inscribed in the horizon of ethics. Should we refuse to
acknowledge the ethical dimension in every political act, we risk reducing
politics to the application of a rule, a software programme for repairing the
world. From this perspective, ethics becomes a different mode of
thinking, one which ‘precedes’ ontology in its relation to knowledge and
justice. Instead of attempting to believe we have full knowledge about the Other
(‘the Iraqi’, ‘the Muslim’, ‘the teenage mother’), ethics points to the radical
and absolute ‘alterity’ (i.e., difference) of the Other which collapses the
familiar order of Being and calls on every one of us to respond to this difference.
Chris: To recognise that even though we
might believe we have knowledge of others, we can never actually be the Other, never actually know the Other – we can only respond to
the Other.
Joanna: This temporary suspension of
knowledge, coupled with the realisation that it is the Other that calls me into
being as a moral and political subject, enables a more responsible and less arrogant
politics. But politics also becomes a zone where different demands from
different ‘Others’ compete, and where we have to resort to calculations and strategies
in order to make the fairest decision we can in any given set of circumstances.
Ethics does not relieve us of the
responsibility of having to think about workable political solutions to issues
of human and non-human life, in all its different permutations.
Chris: Is there a danger that this kind of ethics might be too difficult to
implement politically?
Joanna: Well, the working out of political solutions, even though necessary,
is not the work of ethics the way I understand this concept. Instead,
Levinas-inspired bioethics can provide a stepping stone or a bridge to the work
of already existent bioethics
committees, policy making bodies, research councils – all those organisations,
such as the Nuffield Council on Bioethics in the UK or the US-based President’s
Council on Bioethics, that are engaged on a daily basis in making bioethics
work. But we should also recognise that what most organisations and projects
that have ‘bioethics’ in their title are doing is not ethics but rather politics.
Chris: Yes, I know what you mean – it’s all the logistical decision-making,
as in the civil service and other aspects of the state-apparatus; making laws
and procedures, or advising those people that implement such things. What are
you hoping that they might do differently?
Joanna: I suppose my claim is that to do this work well, and not to fall into
the process of just repeating and applying the already fixed frameworks and
ideas we talked about earlier, all these organisations need a prior ethical supplement. So,
rather than call for the radical reform or even abolishment of many of the
traditional bioethics bodies in my attempt to think bioethics otherwise, my
proposal is much more modest. The bioethics I propose is a pre-condition of
‘responsible biopolitics’ that is the task of committees, panels and
policy-making bodies which deal with issues of human and non-human life,
health, reproduction, etc. But it can also become, if need be, a form of bad
conscience for such committees, panels and policy-making bodies.
Chris: An attempt to keep them ‘honest’? True to their duty?
Joanna: Yes, absolutely.
Chris: Throughout Bioethics in the Age of New Media you
talk of ‘humans, animals and machines’ with the intent to blur or eliminate the
usually assumed boundary conditions here – to think of these categories as not
being pre-prescribed, but perhaps open to continual (re-) interpretation. Does
that mean that you believe we must seriously ask ourselves if we should respect
a machine (in the same way that you suggest we enquire ‘should we respect a carrot?’
in the context of genetically manipulating carrot DNA)?
Joanna:
As new technologies and new media are constantly challenging our established
ideas of what it means to be human and live a human life, they also command a
transformation of the recognized moral frameworks through which we understand
life, as well as a rethinking of who the moral subject is in the current
circumstances. The so-called post-humanist critique calls into question the
anthropocentric bias of our established ways of thinking – i.e. a belief that
the human is situated at the top of the ‘chain of beings’ and that his special
positioning entitles him to a particular set of consumerist and exploitative
attitudes towards non-humans (mammals, fish, rainforests, the ecosphere as a
whole, etc.).
Chris:
But you’re not denying the concept of humanity?
Joanna:
I am far from proposing a total rejection of the idea of ‘the human’ in ethics,
and I’m not promoting some kind of special continuum, or the idea of a ‘life
flow’. But the human – who I recognise is part of a complex natural-technical
network and who actually only ever emerges in a dynamic way out of this network
– is
nevertheless presented with an ethical task of having to make decisions, always
in an uncertain terrain, about life, in all its different incarnations and
enactments.
Chris: In this respect I can’t resist
asking you about robots and automata. Is an Aibo (Sony's robot dog) worthy of
our respect in your view? What about an iPod or an automated phone response
system? And what would (or could) respecting a machine mean?
Joanna:
The question as to whether ‘we’ should respect a machine, a robot dog or an
iPod are relevant and valid, provided we subject this ‘we’ to a rigorous
critique. But I would also argue that, first, ethics is perhaps not so much
about respect (because respect assumes that I’m already fully constituted as a
moral agent before I encounter the Other, and then I can give this other my
gift of recognition, care and kindness) but more about responsibility (which
assumes that in whatever attitude I adopt towards the Other, I am already
responding to the Other’s presence and demand).
Chris: I
think for me the notion of responsibility implies a question of respect, but I
accept that it need not.
Joanna: Sometimes
withholding ‘respect’ might be the most responsible thing to do, depending on
the circumstances. Also, the notion of the human – who in
the instance that s/he takes up the ethical responsibility differentiates
himself from carrots, machines and the general flow of life and flow of
technology – does not disappear altogether in this theory, even if we raise
some substantial questions for the humanist, anthropocentric assumptions around
many traditional ethical positions.
Chris:
And you relate this back to Levinas, even though his ethics is essentially
humanist?
Joanna: What’s changed with
regard to Levinas’ original theory in the bioethics I am proposing in my book
is the expansion of the scope of obligations, beyond those exerted by singular
human Others. For me the decision of those who call themselves human (with all
the awareness of the historical and cultural baggage this term carries, and of
the temporary and fragile nature of any such identification) is important in
this ethical situation. In other words, ethics for me names a moment in which
the human Other temporarily differentiates himself from the ‘flow of life’.
Chris: In order to take responsibility
for it?
Joanna: Yes, but this does
not amount to the celebration of human superiority; it is rather a practical mobilisation
of the human skills (however compromised and imperfect) of critical reflexivity
and decision-making. Now, the question of whether ‘animals’ or ‘machines’ should also engage in such ethical
processes is irrelevant, even if we recognise that the features and behaviours
that used to be seen as uniquely human, such as language, tool use and even
culture, have recently been identified across the species barrier. It is
irrelevant, because this responsibility only ever refers to ‘me’: a temporarily
stabilised human who emerges in-relation-with human and non-human others.
Chris: You avoid advancing specific
positions on the big bioethical questions such as abortion, euthanasia and
genetic engineering, while simultaneously recognising their significance – you
suggest we need to elevate these above other problems if we are to reasonably
address them. Did you avoid advancing a specific position because you have no
position to advance, because you don't want to pre-empt the discussion, or
because you don't want to reduce interest in your work by rendering it
partisan?
Joanna: I’d like to
make a reservation here that, even though I am interested in ethics, I have no
inclination to tell people how to live their lives, and what they should or
shouldn’t do. Ethics for me is therefore different from ‘morality’, a set of
rules of conduct that a given society establishes and then adheres to (or not).
It is also different from politics. While arguably morality is something that
sustains a particular social group – we can learn this, for example, from
Freud’s Civilization and its Discontents
– it is also something that can become too restrictive and even oppressive,
especially when it is used in the service of defending the most fixed and
orthodox truths, assumptions and values. Morality can thus all too easily be
used by various social agents – politicians, religious leaders, educators – to
carry out the sometimes dirty work of politics by passing off socio-cultural
assumptions as truths and goods in themselves, and thus foreclosing the terrain
of the political debate.
Chris: You often refer to the risk of
foreclosure on the specific ethical topics, which struck me as intriguing.
Joanna: Ethics for me
is a supplement to both morality and politics; a prior demand on those of us
who call themselves humans to respond to the difference of the world critically
and responsibly, without taking recourse all too early to pre-decided
half-truths, opinions, beliefs and political strategies. But, as I explained
earlier, it is not something that can be ‘implemented’ once and for all or
become a ‘practical tool’.
Chris: Can you
realistically push towards a non-systematic bioethics without instantiating
that concept in the context of at least one key example?
Joanna: The kind of
bioethics I have in mind cannot be instantiated in one ‘key example’ because
any such key example would inevitably take over and even colonise the need for
open-ended critical work of bioethics by becoming a measuring stick against
which other bioethical cases and dilemmas could be compared.
Chris: It would
foreclose it, as you like to say.
Joanna: Precisely. Having
said that, in the book I discuss multiple bioethical scenarios and events which
arise in the context of cosmetic surgery, abortion, cloning, genetic testing or
art practice which uses biomaterial, and suggest a framework for thinking
ethically about all these different cases. I realise that, with regard to such important
and often scandalising issues, there may be something rather frustrating about
a bioethics that refuses to evaluate in advance the morality of the agents
involved in the transformation of life as we know it. But I’m adamant that bioethics
should not just provide us with a definitive set of values concerning DNA,
foetuses, lab animals, in advance; nor should it resolve once and for all whether
people should or should not engage in genomic transformation, have breast augmentation
or even have an ear implanted on their arm the way the Australian artist
Stelarc did.
Chris: You
want to open the debate on bioethics, not to foreclose it.
Joanna: Well, my
intention is to shift the parameters of the ethical debate from an individualistic
problem-based moral paradigm in which rules can be rationally, strategically
worked out on the basis of a previously agreed principle, to a broader
political context in which individual decisions are always involved in complex
relations of power, economy, and ideology. This in itself is a rather big task
– which, if undertaken seriously, can have radical and far-reaching
consequences for our ideas of ‘the human’, ‘animal’, ‘politics’, ‘nature’ and
‘life’ itself.
Joanna Zylinska’s Bioethics in the Age of New Media is available now from all good bookstores. The opening image is from Joanna's photo gallery Too close for comfort, which can be viewed on her website, and is used with permission.
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